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Shadow Sentinel · Apr 11, 2011, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Actually I expected more people to be paying for these services. It comes down to a point when your wage $/hour becomes high enough and you are a busy person, then it is probably cheaper (time and money-wise) for you to hire someone to do it for you, than to do it yourself.

I find that many gamers, with busy jobs in real life, are finding it hard to have the time to play their favorite games, much less grind for in-game benefits.

Why play the game then? Because you like paying someone else to play it for you so that you can walk around with a title in GW or GW2 at your leisure?

Talk about posing, but if that's what you're into than who am I to say that's wrong? Play the game however you want, but with 7 heroes in a party that you can fairly easily max out, the game is easy and productive enough to actually play yourself. Crazy talk, I know...

As someone else mentioned, in-game money is better spent on yourself, and real money is better spent on upgrading your account. If you're just getting a run to Lion's Arch from Ascalon so you can get L20 heroes from EotN for 1k or so, that's a different matter. Guess how long it takes to level up yourself or your heroes there? They even boost your stats to L20 to make it that much easier.

Here, if someone needs some help with hero builds, these are generally good enough: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Category:A...ng_hero_builds

Daesu · Apr 12, 2011, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by Shadow Sentinel

Why play the game then? Because you like paying someone else to play it for you so that you can walk around with a title in GW or GW2 at your leisure?

Talk about posing, but if that's what you're into than who am I to say that's wrong? Play the game however you want, but with 7 heroes in a party that you can fairly easily max out, the game is easy and productive enough to actually play yourself. Crazy talk, I know...

Yes, crazy as it may seem there are rich players out there who are willing for pay for virtual goods and services.

Titles are nice but some titles are a pain to grind for and these people have too much money but too little time to grind. Besides, grinding is a lot less fun than playing through the storyline.

Horus Moonlight · Apr 12, 2011, 02:11 AM // 02:11

Paying for the service outlined in the OP is facepalm worthy. The money could be better spent outfitting your own heroes (and don't give me a "no time" excuse; outfitting heroes would probably take as long as finding someone offering this service) so you could *gasp* use your own heroes (not to mention you wouldn't have to pay each and every time).

Daesu · Apr 12, 2011, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by Horus Moonlight

Paying for the service outlined in the OP is facepalm worthy. The money could be better spent outfitting your own heroes (and don't give me a "no time" excuse; outfitting heroes would probably take as long as finding someone offering this service) so you could *gasp* use your own heroes (not to mention you wouldn't have to pay each and every time).

Despite your opinion, virtual goods and services is a $3 billion dollar industry. This shows that some rich players are fueling this industry regardless of whether you and I agree with their actions or not.

Outfitting heroes properly requires some amount of knowledge and experience in the game which not every GW player has or bothers to acquire.

Mireles · Apr 12, 2011, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Despite your opinion, virtual goods and services is a $3 billion dollar industry. This shows that some rich players are fueling this industry regardless of whether you and I agree with their actions or not.

Outfitting heroes properly requires some amount of knowledge and experience in the game which not every GW player has or bothers to acquire.

If your quoting 3 billion dollar amount from this publication... (which your site sources)

http://www.infodev.org/en/Publication.1056.html

This figure is not strictly limited to MMORPG Virtual goods...

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Originally Posted by Daesu

I find that many gamers, with busy jobs in real life, are finding it hard to have the time to play their favorite games, much less grind for in-game benefits.

If you don't have time to build and improve your character... Why pay real $ for the accomplishments and wealth... you don't even have time to play the game, but you have time to relish the accomplishments of that game...

Makes no since to a person that actually enjoys playing the game the way it was made to be.

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Actually I expected more people to be paying for these services. It comes down to a point when your wage $/hour becomes high enough and you are a busy person, then it is probably cheaper (time and money-wise) for you to hire someone to do it for you, than to do it yourself.

Guild wars is not a necessity... it is more profitable to not play if you don't have the time... and for it to "be cheaper to pay someone" assumes that you negate a working wage to play guild wars....

There is only one rational reason for RMT...
When you want the glory but don't have the guts...

enter_the_zone · Apr 12, 2011, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by Mireles

There is only one rational reason for RMT...
When you want the glory but can't be bothered to grind for hundreds of hours to get it when you can work 10 hours IRL and pay someone else to do the crappy grind for you... which leaves you able to actually play the game when you log in.

Corrected that for you. Not all of us are 14 years old, or unemployed, you know. We have work and families and responsibilities, we like to play for fun and shiny things are fun. So, given a choice, we'd shortcut to get them. I'm lucky, my brother actually likes all the grindy crap, so I leave that to him.

You're right, Guild Wars isn't a necessity, but in case you haven't noticed, the entire real world economy is based on richer people wasting money on stuff that isn't necessary. Whether it's pixels or Prada, there's no difference at all.

Shadow Sentinel · Apr 12, 2011, 12:40 PM // 12:40

I can agree that some people probably do pay for these kinds of services whether or not anyone else thinks it's justified. And yes, some of the titles definitely are a bit of a grind, though a lot of them have been made easier than they were.

I'm sure 7 heroes with the skill unlock packs and of course the Wiki and other on-line resources make the game significantly more accessible to a lot of the less advanced players though, whether they know it or not.

Daesu · Apr 12, 2011, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

Corrected that for you. Not all of us are 14 years old, or unemployed, you know. We have work and families and responsibilities, we like to play for fun and shiny things are fun. So, given a choice, we'd shortcut to get them. I'm lucky, my brother actually likes all the grindy crap, so I leave that to him.

You're right, Guild Wars isn't a necessity, but in case you haven't noticed, the entire real world economy is based on richer people wasting money on stuff that isn't necessary. Whether it's pixels or Prada, there's no difference at all.

QFT.

Imagine that you earn $100/hour, $800/day. Like most gamers, you hate grind and repeated content but you would love to have a decked out GWAMM to prepare for GW2. With just a couple of bucks, you can easily hire some kids, who are experts in the game, to grind out GWAMM for you, so why not?

You are not afraid of them jacking your account because if they do, they don't get paid. You still have control over your email account and you can change your game password immediately after getting GWAMM. Furthermore, the cost of an account is pennies to you.

majoho · Apr 12, 2011, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Why is this thread allowed, basically the OP is telling people that they might as well use powerleveling services and to buy plat.

It's not even a real discussion!

Daesu · Apr 12, 2011, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by majoho

Why is this thread allowed, basically the OP is telling people that they might as well use powerleveling services and to buy plat.

Learn to read.

Dicussing if people would really pay for such services if they are rich, or offer such services, based on a news article is perfectly legitimate.

http://nexgadget.com/2011/04/09/worl...-real-economy/

Iuris · Apr 12, 2011, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Daesu, one reason computer games are popular is also that they ignore the real life economical situation. Even the less wealthy can therefore enter a more level playing field, which is actually quite important to many people.

Developers' positions vary, but Anet has taken a firm stance against real life money trading. Most players support such a stance, and Anet does prosecute cases. So, don't come crying to us if they catch and ban you.

And a side note to everyone: would you really trust a guy like this with your account?

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You are not afraid of them jacking your account because if they do, they don't get paid. You still have control over your email account and you can change your game password immediately after getting GWAMM. Furthermore, the cost of an account is pennies to you.

Especially if you remember how many of the stolen account owners said their account turned out to have been stolen by gold sellers?

StormDragonZ · Apr 12, 2011, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Learn to read.

Dicussing if people would really pay for such services if they are rich, or offer such services, based on a news article is perfectly legitimate.

So we're discussing if people would really pay for such things?

Hell yeah, I'm sure someone out there has the money to literally let someone else, or a group of people, play an entire game for them. That's right, someone out there in the world purchased Guild Wars, or any online game with the intent and purpose to, and get ready for it, not play it themselves because they don't have the time to do so.

So what happens if you let someone else do everything for you? What do you do next? Pay someone to do it all over again?

That's my biggest problem. People, if they do this sort of thing, get their GWAMM, but then what? You paid someone to get it, so you just leave the game and not care about it anymore?

Honestly, if you can't play the game, why spend money just so you can continue NOT playing? Are people so ignorant to think that perhaps your "help" could scam you?

Seriously, WTF?

BladeDVD · Apr 12, 2011, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Iuris

Daesu, one reason computer games are popular is also that they ignore the real life economical situation. Even the less wealthy can therefore enter a more level playing field, which is actually quite important to many people.

Developers' positions vary, but Anet has taken a firm stance against real life money trading. Most players support such a stance, and Anet does prosecute cases. So, don't come crying to us if they catch and ban you.

I think most people here understand Anet's and Guru's position on RMT and are mostly talking about paying for services with in game gold.

But the idea of the level economic playing field you mention is apparently not an opinion held world wide. Based on what I've read in these forums over the years, MMOs that let you buy power ups with real money are very popular in the Asian gaming markets.

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And a side note to everyone: would you really trust a guy like this with your account?

Especially if you remember how many of the stolen account owners said their account turned out to have been stolen by gold sellers?

Regarding your side note, you'd have to be crazy to actually give anyone your account information. Generally when people speak in the context of of in game services they just mean that you are afk or provide a minimal amount of help.

As an amendment to my original post...I do have to mostly agree with those who criticize new players for paying others to help you do content you haven't mastered yet. That seems like it would get in the way of learning how to play the game and make you a poor team mate.

And you don't really need to outfit heroes beyond using the drops you get. It helps, but having decent bars that work well together for the task at hand is far more important.

AngelWJedi · Apr 12, 2011, 11:02 PM // 23:02

for the buy of runs in such ingame with golds i dont see the issue. in the end it isnt YOUR acc. its someone elses. if they wanna shell out xxx of gold for a run then let them it isnt harming you. and if it is i wanna see how it does "hurt" your game play.

TheGizzy · Apr 12, 2011, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Daesu

You are not afraid of them jacking your account because if they do, they don't get paid. You still have control over your email account and you can change your game password immediately after getting GWAMM. Furthermore, the cost of an account is pennies to you.

I'd be more concerned with ANet banning the account. What you're describing - allowing someone else to use the account - is against the EULA.

*lemming* · Apr 13, 2011, 12:40 AM // 00:40

You're painfully naive if you actually think Anet actively bans accounts because they're being used by more than one person.

pingu666 · Apr 13, 2011, 01:00 AM // 01:00

i guess if your motivated towards gwamm, then having some random farm for you, and rep grind would be rather tempting

Daesu · Apr 13, 2011, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by Iuris

Daesu, one reason computer games are popular is also that they ignore the real life economical situation. Even the less wealthy can therefore enter a more level playing field, which is actually quite important to many people.

Unfortunately real life has a lot more to do with gaming than most people would want it to.

Taking the case of the unemployed 14 years old versus the employed busy 40 years old vice president of a successful company with 4 kids. Who has more time to spend in the game? Probably the 14 years old, but isn't this unfair to the vice president? Afterall, computer games are suppose to ignore real life situations right? But do they?

Just because the 40 years old vice president worked hard and became successful in real life doesn't imply that he now has to suck in every MMO from now on, or does it?

Face it, most MMO successes are based on "real-world" time that you can effort to play the game. This is because most of them are based on grind, if I have 500 years of totally free time to do my own stuff without worrying about food, bills, and responsibilities, I am sure that I can bring all my 16 characters to GWAMM status. Of course it is an exaggeration but you get the message.

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So what happens if you let someone else do everything for you? What do you do next? Pay someone to do it all over again?

That's my biggest problem. People, if they do this sort of thing, get their GWAMM, but then what? You paid someone to get it, so you just leave the game and not care about it anymore?

Honestly, if you can't play the game, why spend money just so you can continue NOT playing? Are people so ignorant to think that perhaps your "help" could scam you?

What's next? Isn't that part of the consequence of playing any computer game?

Even if you DO play this game yourself and grind for every title, what's next?

Obviously there are still people who want GWAMM, whether they paid for it or get it themselves.

Iuris · Apr 13, 2011, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Daesu, don't you think this thread has shown quite well that most people here don't think as you do and are happy that Anet doesn't either?

You have games where you work hard for your 100 gold while wearing old leather armor, and can at the same time see people in glowing golden plate that can only be purchased in the game shop, flashing around thousands of gold they bought in the game shop for items you would like to buy.

You have games where you don't have a game shop offering this, but you do have hard working bots selling farmed gold to players, and you know that in order to buy an item, you have to farm for days to earn that much gold. And you might even realize that if they weren't allowed, you'd only have to farm for hours, since prices would be lower if there weren't as much gold farmed.

You have football games where you're allowed to buy players, but not judges.

Guess what? I don't play those games.

Anet got MANY things right in GW1 that I liked, and only a few that I don't like, and even those were only mildly annoying. That's why I like GW, that's why I play it and that's why I have faith in Anet that they'll make a GOOD game for us in the form of GW2.

Accept it already: Anet doesn't want you doing what you'd like to do according to this thread, and they'll devote some attention to preventing you from doing so. You might not get caught, but don't pretend not to know that you could have got caught. A few people might agree and buy your services, but most of the rest of us won't and will despise those people and you. Now accept it and go do your dirty deeds and be happy we don't know your IGN.

majoho · Apr 13, 2011, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Learn to read.

Dicussing if people would really pay for such services if they are rich, or offer such services, based on a news article is perfectly legitimate.

http://nexgadget.com/2011/04/09/worl...-real-economy/

Actually my point is that you are asking about actions that would get you banned - I thought such things were against the posting rules but maybe I'm wrong.